oceanitrogen wrote:

Cynthia wrote:

oceanitrogen wrote:

I just watched this video and I read a comment saying how complete and simple was what Neville was talking about and how it was the key to manifesting, but I don't understand what he is saying I thought my english was so good </3

 
I'm not sure what you meant by you couldn't understand what he was saying. If you meant you couldn't understand him from the way he spoke, his voice or his 'accent', so to speak, as fizzy said, you can find his books and lectures in written form free online. Fizzy has given you a good explanation of how this works. Neville essentially taught from his own experience that imagination creates reality and to live from the end of the wish fulfilled, which means as if it is yours already, but in your imagination, with 'sensory vividness', as he called it. This means that you make the end result as real as possible in your imagination by the use of your senses. For example, in your imagination, you might see objects in the room around you or feel yourself holding something in your hand.  This is something that you only need to do for a few minutes a day, consistently, Neville recommended before sleep because it is one of the best times, it doesn't mean that you have to try to force yourself to do this 24/7. In fact, force is counterproductive. Force doesn't work. There is a vast difference between thinking of something and from it. He said that imaginal acts harden into facts over time if persisted in, which means that if you imagine something consistently for a long enough time, it will become a reality. First you have to know and be clear about what it is that you want. As fizzy said, loving yourself is a good thing for your own sake and benefit, but it is not what manifests anything, and it is not necessary to manifesting, and neither is feeling happy or good. You can be deeply depressed and manifest something good because I've done it myself.  When Neville spoke about feeling being the secret, he didn't mean emotions like being happy or excited, he meant feeling as though something was already true, like you already have whatever it is.

Oh no, I understand every single word. But I don't understand what he's saying. You know? He talks in a way that sounds confusing to me? I don't know why! Because I do understand every single word but when they come together it makes sense only in pieces. I have no idea why. And oh my god, you have no idea how helpful this is. Thank you so so so so SO MUCH! I screenshoted it and I'm going to do it all. I loved what you said about feeling an object in my hand and boticing details around me to make it feel more real. Oh my god, that's genius and I never thought of it before. Thank you so much. I just have this issue, I can't visualize in first person. I always visualize like a movie, and I try so hard to imagine things from my point of view but I have always been a daydreamer and I alwas always daydreamed, involving myself in the daydream, in third person by watching me because then it gives me more perspective and it comes more naturally to me. Is that an issue? Because I can't visualize myself being in his arms by actually being in his arms (actually I can, but only for a second and my mind taka me off of that and brings me back to third person). Is that an issue? And THANK YOU SO MUCH

 
You're very welcome. I have seen varying opinions on whether it matters if you visualise in the third or first person. I even have some tapes that came out in the 1980s that are sort of like guided visualisations that say to see yourself up on a screen in a scene that appeals to you, and some people reported success in doing it this way. I personally think it's better and more real if you do it in the first person because you want to make it as real as possible as if you are experiencing it right now, and seeing yourself up on a screen or somewhere else outside yourself at a distance doesn't have the same impact in my view, so I personally prefer to do it in the first person. However, the object is to plant these suggestions in your subconscious mind, so whatever works for you to achieve that is what you should do. You don't have to worry if it's not as clear as in real life. It gets easier over time, but it's really the intention behind the visualisation because you know what it is you are trying to accomplish. You don't have to be perfect. Do you really find it difficult to imagine yourself in his arms, holding each other closely? I suppose I've had a lot of practice, but I find that so easy, and also I find it very easy to bring him right up in my face - my bloke, not yours, I mean. lol. I would say to do your best and what feels best and easiest to you. If you find it too difficult to do it in the first person, then do it in the third person if that's easier for you. It's better that you do something rather than nothing. Neville said, 'You are the operant power. It doesn't operate itself.' This is supposed to be enjoyable, not the self-torture that some people seem to make it.

Yes I also had been finding it difficult to visualize which is why I liked how he just calls it imagining. Gives it a natural, childlike perspective.

Anyway, I was looking for exercises to practise, and I found something on youtube called image streaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2qjtwcMhA

Basically you start off with any small detail in your mind's eye, and record yourself describing it, then you start to see more detail and you build up from there. I recommend watching it anyway. He recommends practising it ten minutes a day to improve your ability to have clear mental images.

So I tested it out, recorded my voice describing a desired situation with my SP (added benefit is this is like another way of scripting!) So yeah, I was describing this situation, what I was wearing, just letting the images form. I found it really helpful. I decided to take it further and listen back to my own recording and imagine it again. Then I visualized after, while listening to some theta waves and it was actually pretty good, even if only for a short time. I ended up lying there for another 30 minutes trying to force it and I realised I should have stopped. Next time I will remember, know when to stop xD

There's also a section on this forum with advice for visualizing. One of the articles I found on there was saying that it's good to be able to switch between first and third person. I don't know if that means only doing one of those is less effective or not. And exactly, doing something is better than nothing and if it feels real that's the main thing. I'm aiming to master this skill anyway so I want to be able to do that, but without putting pressure on myself. But yeah, check out that section of posts, there could be something helpful on there. I just love the fact that reality literally isn't real at all and is completely malleable! I've known the LOA nearly 11 years and it still inspires and amazes me so much when I think of it in this way! And now I want to actually put it to use properly to it's full potential! :D




 

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Aquilina wrote:

Yes I also had been finding it difficult to visualize which is why I liked how he just calls it imagining. Gives it a natural, childlike perspective.

Anyway, I was looking for exercises to practise, and I found something on youtube called image streaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2qjtwcMhA

Basically you start off with any small detail in your mind's eye, and record yourself describing it, then you start to see more detail and you build up from there. I recommend watching it anyway. He recommends practising it ten minutes a day to improve your ability to have clear mental images.

So I tested it out, recorded my voice describing a desired situation with my SP (added benefit is this is like another way of scripting!) So yeah, I was describing this situation, what I was wearing, just letting the images form. I found it really helpful. I decided to take it further and listen back to my own recording and imagine it again. Then I visualized after, while listening to some theta waves and it was actually pretty good, even if only for a short time. I ended up lying there for another 30 minutes trying to force it and I realised I should have stopped. Next time I will remember, know when to stop xD

There's also a section on this forum with advice for visualizing. One of the articles I found on there was saying that it's good to be able to switch between first and third person. I don't know if that means only doing one of those is less effective or not. And exactly, doing something is better than nothing and if it feels real that's the main thing. I'm aiming to master this skill anyway so I want to be able to do that, but without putting pressure on myself. But yeah, check out that section of posts, there could be something helpful on there. I just love the fact that reality literally isn't real at all and is completely malleable! I've known the LOA nearly 11 years and it still inspires and amazes me so much when I think of it in this way! And now I want to actually put it to use properly to it's full potential! :D




 

Oh that's amazing, thank you! I don't really have issues with visualizing. I can see images and everything in my mind, like a movie. It's foggy because it's not bright as real life is which I think is impossible for a human mind to project into its own counciousness so it's okay. My issue is that I feel perfectly confortable imagining everything from a third person's point of view like a movie. And it feels just as real as real life, specially because my third person and first person mix, like in a movie. And if I kiss him in my mind and i'm watching myself do it, I feel myself kissing him. It just feels natural to imagine things that way. I don't know how to explain it but it does not feel as if I was watching myself from outside of myself. It doesn't feel like I'm outside of myself, it feels like i'm inside myself even though I'm watching myself. Anyway, what I mean is that this is my only issue. And the fact that, if I try to control the images, they get crazy, as if they were alive and didn't want me to control them. You know? If I try to imagine someone's body perfectly, the body will start to distort because it just doesn't want me to control it. I feel I kinda sound crazy

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Cynthia wrote:

oceanitrogen wrote:

Cynthia wrote:

 
You're very welcome. I have seen varying opinions on whether it matters if you visualise in the third or first person. I even have some tapes that came out in the 1980s that are sort of like guided visualisations that say to see yourself up on a screen in a scene that appeals to you, and some people reported success in doing it this way. I personally think it's better and more real if you do it in the first person because you want to make it as real as possible as if you are experiencing it right now, and seeing yourself up on a screen or somewhere else outside yourself at a distance doesn't have the same impact in my view, so I personally prefer to do it in the first person. However, the object is to plant these suggestions in your subconscious mind, so whatever works for you to achieve that is what you should do. You don't have to worry if it's not as clear as in real life. It gets easier over time, but it's really the intention behind the visualisation because you know what it is you are trying to accomplish. You don't have to be perfect. Do you really find it difficult to imagine yourself in his arms, holding each other closely? I suppose I've had a lot of practice, but I find that so easy, and also I find it very easy to bring him right up in my face - my bloke, not yours, I mean. lol. I would say to do your best and what feels best and easiest to you. If you find it too difficult to do it in the first person, then do it in the third person if that's easier for you. It's better that you do something rather than nothing. Neville said, 'You are the operant power. It doesn't operate itself.' This is supposed to be enjoyable, not the self-torture that some people seem to make it.

The thing is, it doesn't feel distant. It feels very natural for me to imagine scenes with me in them and still feel like I'm there because I've always done it that way and I've always, always imagined things in my mind. I always spent more time inside myself than out. I always spaced out in class or when hanging out with my family or friends and I always daydreamed and imagined magical scenes in my head. And they were always, always in third person. So I've been doing this, because I'm a very active daydreamer since I started being aware of having thoughts, for nineteen years. Maybe less because I think people who are one year old don't have thoughts but yeah. I've been doing it for a long time. And I can imagine myself in his arms, but I can't imagine it from a first person view haha. Because that means seeing nothing, only his neck, and imagining things happening in my head from my own eyes is weird and for me it makes it feel less real. So I don't know if i should do it the way it feels natural and real to me but people say it works less, or try to make the unconfortable way work for me somehow. And by the way, I can feel everything even if it's from a third person view. Like I said, I've been doing it this way forever and it feels real. And also, I can feel things better than I can picture them. Daydreams have always been an image of course, but not a perfect one. They're always kinda foggy, but the feelings are what make the image be if that makes sense. I can feel the tree I'm imagining better than I can picture it. Specially because if I focus on creating it's details, the image becomes wild and starts dancing and distorting and running away from my control. I prefer feeling things over picturing them much better. I feel that this made no sense to anyone but myself but one  can hope and I hope you understand haha

 
I do understand. It sounds fine to me. You don't have anything to worry about. Do it your way. Whatever works best for you is the right thing for you.

Okay! Thank you so much! I will do it my way then. It always felt perfect, I just started thinking it was a problem when I saw someone mentioning I should visualize from a first person's point of view. I got instantly worried haha

oceanitrogen wrote:

PrettyFlamingo wrote:

Hope this discussion helps the OP.

I think you mean me, and if you do, it helps SO MUCH! Thank you all SO MUCH! I said it some minutes ago answering someone but I'll say it again, you guys are taking me out of the hole I was in and I'm so grateful and so full of love for all of you. Let's all be friends oh my god, I love you guys

Yes I meant you! Have a lovely day!