Lol..this is so silly. I only read the first post and the first response and I agree with anteres. He doesn't understand Neville. And that's something I notice in many of Superman's posts. He has some great bits, but also a lot of misleading information.

First of all, Neville himself said that you shouldn't make him your guru. I can't quote it, because I as a Neville fan didn't learn his lectures by heart, but I heard him saying that more than once. And another thing that Neville said very often is: Try it. We can discuss for hours, if he is right or wrong. But we could also look at our experience. If it is Superman's experience that it doesn't work - his loss. I wonder why he was a big fan then? And I personally don't know a person who imagines flying? Haven't heard that Neville was the cause of death number one in 2017..lol.

The reason why I like Neville is that he gets to the core. He doesn't invent fancy words like vortex that confuse people, he doesn't invent techniques without saying what they come down to. He teaches what his experience is which is one very simple principle. And I have found his experience to be my experience. That doesn't mean that I have full control over it yet. Just because I can't believe from my present state of consciousness that I am a billionaire doesn't mean that if I would be able to believe it, I wouldn't be it. That's the reason of my part 4 post of my series. You can see this principle at work all the time, you just need ot look. If it weren't true, shouldn't there be inconsistencies when you watch it for a few days?
I bet that the people he quotes have no clue how to apply Neville. They simply don't understand it. I see that a lot even in Neville groups. I would estimate that at least 60% of his "fans" don't understand his core message and the rest gets it on different levels. If they could tell him that they wanted to be a billionaire, they don't do what Neville teaches anyway. When you want something, you admit that you aren't it/haven't it and when you aren't a billionaire (in consciousness) you aren't a billionaire.

I wouldn't think too much about it and just do what Neville said - try it. Look at what you believe to be true, look at your world. Everytime I feel something to be true - even when it is silly - it happens.  I am always right. How often in your life did you say: I KNEW this would happen!!! ?And I trust a wise man like Neville a lot more than a pubescent acting French model around my age who thinks that he knows everything and changes his opinion once a month.

I agree with Superman in one point though. You shouldn't make anyone your guru. There are things in Neville's work that make no sense to me. He talks about politics and corrupt politicians...wtf? And he tells us that we can have everything, that we are responsible for how people treat us, but tells us that we shouldn't go for a specific person while he also tells the story how he attracted his wife? Wtf? That's not in line with what he teaches normally and that's why I drop it. Or the thing with the golden rule. What they reject comes back to you? Wtf? I created so many assholes in my life - I even made a ***** out of a nice girl I used to like. Shouldn't she have rejected that? But she didn't. What you believe to be true comes always true. And if you believe that she is a nice girl, but that nobody would ever want to spend time with you and that she would reject you if you asked her, your experience would match your beliefs (in this case, she said yes - matched my belief about the nice girl, to then stop talking to me - matched the belief about nobody would want to spend time with me). Afterwards, you can always come up with an explanation. Well, maybe she thought I was gay? That's really far fetched, but if you want to find a secondary cause, you always will.

I can say that I will dedicate my next years or even my whole life to mastering this simple principle - not Neville's principle but the universal principle, because I see that it's true. Would I drop it, if I would find out that all my experiences were just coincidences? Sure. But I know one thing: When I read for the first time "You are God", I started crying. I was so emotional about that and I had no clue why. And when I started to read Neville, I didn't understand much of his words neither the content - but I felt that it was the truth. I felt it deep down in my being and I trust my own being much more than I trust any forum guru.

I like your post Sanshi. I like simplicity. I have lurked on that other site for a while and there is so much overwhelmingly confusing information that seems like such hard work, spending your entire life on techniques. I can't understand half of it and feel stupid that I can't, but at my heart, I don't want to waste time on techniques. There's also a lot of really bad language and rudeness too. 

Oasiscalm wrote:

The same with what Sanshi has said above about Neville said about specific people - he didn't say you can't have a specific person - he said people become fixated on a person and believe it's only them, only to realise that "that specific person" wasn't the answer to what they were seeking.

Just a short clarification on that bit. I didn't say that Neville says you can't, but you shouldn't. And I see a lot of Neville folks accepting that as law. Like: You can have the red BMW with leather seats, but you shouldn't go for a specific person and generalizing in this way just doesn't make sense to me. I agree that for a lot of people it's really not the person, especially when I read how they were abused in the relationship and stuff like that. But if after a year or so, the desperation is gone and the desire for that person is still there, I think the desire is as valid as the one for the red BMW with leather seats or any other desire. I assume that Neville said it in the same context you mentioned. When people are desperate for a person, it doesn't help to tell them that they can have them back. They go crazy. But it's the same with any other desire. You can want money in order to feel secure, so money isn't the true desire. Or you can want money, because you enjoy having money and then it's a true desire. You "shouldn't" go for the first one, but you should go for the latter.

I agree that some fluidity in our beliefs is fine, but he seems to be constantly changing. I don't believe a lot of the same things now, that I did last year, either, and maybe that seems inconsistent to some. However, I feel like in a lot of ways, he contradicts himself because of his constantly changing beliefs. I don't know him but it's almost like he just changes his beliefs to fit what people are looking for...does that make sense? I don't know, and maybe I'm totally reading into his stuff wrong.

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I read the thread, read the replies too but I regret doing that!  I do agree with what Superman said about the whole "cult" following thing. It's not exclusive to Neville, though. I've seen it with Abe too, as well as Agnes Vivarelli, I especially remember that drama when she gave a response that people did not like. 

As for Superman, I can't say I've seen too much of his posts on that forum outside of his games, I've seen people get angry with him for changing his tune but at this stage, I just stick with what I believe. The words of another won't cause me to lose any sleep anymore. 

Back to Neville, though. I find him to be one of the better teachers that I have studied. His books and lectures resonate with me more than others have so far, he's worth looking into if you can understand his way of speaking and aren't too put off by him mentioning the word God. Some people seem to dismiss Neville because he's too religious.