Ohh whoa lol. I mean I don’t know. I think you’re right you have to maintain that separation otherwise you will get lost in your imagination. I think you need that balence. However, by getting lost there would you be creating an entirely new reality for yourself? Like would that dream world just entirely become a reality? Does that make sense lol

Sanshi wrote:

If we were able to apply LoA 100%, we had to be in a state of imagination all the time or at least every moment that isn't absolutely wanted. When I started pondering that I got afraid. What if I lose touch with reality? What if I get crazy? I think to really get consistent results with LoA, you have to deliberately unlearn to distinguish between an imagined reality and physical reality, but still be able to switch back. Is it possible to leave all that we have learned how the world works behind and live in a completely new way without anybody else noticing it? When does spirituality end and craziness start? Is it possible to produce my own craziness to an extend that I can't go back?

Btw, I am talking about people who really understand LoA and and apply it properly, not about people keeping their wardrobe empty for their imaginary husband and showing the "clothes" of their husband proudly to their friend (which would meet my definition of craziness).

I have been thinking about the exact same thing lately. I got interested in LOA about 6 months ago but it's only very recently that I started getting really serious about it and studying it whenever I have time. When I learned about Neville I started to apply his techniques. Experimented daily with "little" things to make my day go smoother and OMG it worked every time. But, for instance, with the manifesting process of my specific person, I started to get a little worried about losing myself in my imagination. I wasn't losing myself, but I started asking myself the same question as you did: "Where does spirituality end and craziness begin?"

I understand the concept of living from it, but I am still trying to figure out how to do that in a practical way. I mean, in a way you do have to unlearn to distinguish between imagined reality and physical reality, but you still have to live in the physical world.

You could argue that people who show the imaginary wardrobe of their imaginary husband to a friend are doing a good job at living from it, if they also feel it real of course. Although the confused reaction of their friend might not really help lol. I agree that it goes to far to do that though.

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Lucky wrote:

I have been thinking about the exact same thing lately. I got interested in LOA about 6 months ago but it's only very recently that I started getting really serious about it and studying it whenever I have time. When I learned about Neville I started to apply his techniques. Experimented daily with "little" things to make my day go smoother and OMG it worked every time. But, for instance, with the manifesting process of my specific person, I started to get a little worried about losing myself in my imagination. I wasn't losing myself, but I started asking myself the same question as you did: "Where does spirituality end and craziness begin?"

I understand the concept of living from it, but I am still trying to figure out how to do that in a practical way. I mean, in a way you do have to unlearn to distinguish between imagined reality and physical reality, but you still have to live in the physical world.

You could argue that people who show the imaginary wardrobe of their imaginary husband to a friend are doing a good job at living from it, if they also feel it real of course. Although the confused reaction of their friend might not really help lol. I agree that it goes to far to do that though.

Cool to have another Neville student around.  In the end, the only thing that matters is the feeling of being/having it right now. And we are able to hold two different realities in our minds. When we lie to someone, we make up a story. So we kinda choose a different reality, when we talk to the person we lie to. In that moment (if we are a good liar), it's real for us. Else the other person feels that we are lying. I think it could work with feeling it real too, just the other way around. When someone asks us about something we are working on, we can still tell them how the reflection looks like, but if we are in the right state of consciousness, it feels like a lie to us. We know it isn't true. We don't feel it to be true anymore.

I don't think that those people are doing a good job. If they really were so immersed in the state, it should have already shown up in their world. Most of them probably don't understand what living from the end means and confusing it with "acting as if" and that usually comes from a state of "I want to manifest the thing I do not have". When I am in a happy relationship, I usually don't think about my wardrobe...lol

Lucky wrote:

Kiba101 wrote:

Ohh whoa lol. I mean I don’t know. I think you’re right you have to maintain that separation otherwise you will get lost in your imagination. I think you need that balence. However, by getting lost there would you be creating an entirely new reality for yourself? Like would that dream world just entirely become a reality? Does that make sense lol

That's another thing I've wondered about. What about people who have an actual psychosis? In what way does it work or not work for them? I'm writing a piece about Folie a deux (shared psychosis) for a course I'm taking and it made me think. I mean, people with psychosis are REALLY convinced that what they see, feel, believe etc. is true, but still they often end up in a mental hospital. Why is that? Why doesn't the reality they live in actually manifest?

That's a thing I also thought about. I came to the conclusion that they are just my version of them. I "know" that there are some crazy people around, so some people have to conform to my belief in my version of the world. But in their worlds, they can live a glorious life....or be a dog, if they are convinced of that.

Pink Ribbon Ninja wrote:

Wow, this is an interesting topic. I think that there must something different, a line that differentiates people doing LOA (without getting crazy) and the real crazy people (or people that have a tendency to be crazy), but I'm not sure what it is.

Is it because we have the intention to "ask, believe, and receive"? And we still have to be grateful for everything we have at the current moment, keep enjoying the present when we're manifesting.
So I think it's like what Kiba said about the balance. The balance keeps us from being crazy.

While the crazy people really don't understand which one is real and which one is imagination, if it makes sense.

Well, this Law is what directs all life. It There wasn't a guy with a long beard in the sky who thought "lets create a principle that makes money making more easy". LoA isn't about what you want, but about who you are. The world is always a perfect reflection. There aren't people who "do LoA" and others don't. Everyone attracts in every second all of there thoughts, feelings and sensory impressions to them without any exception. We are already masters in this. The problem is just that we don't understand the principle that is working in the background (which is not gratitude btw). People who think that they are someone other than they "really" are, do exactly what it needs to apply LoA. Feeling it to be real is the only thing you have to do to change your circumstances. So I would expect it to be the other way around. All the LoA people are struggling around while all the crazy people live a glorious life. And why shouldn't they not be grateful? They actually live it.

We all "ask" all the time. I don't like the "ask, believe, receive" stuff too much, but every time a new desire is born (which is pretty often, when you think about it), we ask. I would call it "receiving a desire", because it's really nothing we can do by ourselves..it just comes. I almost see nobody around the forum who believes in what they desire to be already here. Crazy people don't wait till they have a dog to go with their dog, they just go NOW. They don't "act as if", they don't fake it, they feel it real now and act on their feeling. So maybe we can even learn from them? Maybe our definition of crazy is crazy? When do you stop being a child and start to be crazy? Children do that all the time.

I would say that our problem is that we see a difference between "real world" and imagination. This forum is a crazy place, but not the way crazy for everyone to have what they want unfortunately.

Laura1234 wrote:

Sanshi and what do you think about liars? I have a friend who is really a pathologic liar. She tell me and my friends so much fiction stories but I dont see she have these things or survives these situations in a reality. Do you think that liars really believe their lies? Can they manifest their lies too?

I don't have some people around me, but I don't think that they believe their lies. The reason they lie is to get some advantage. They try to manipulate on the physical plane. They don't feel it to be a reality. If they would, much more people had already figured this whole LoA thing out.