Lifesagas wrote:

I don't think that's what Veronica is saying is this video Will. I think she's saying it is possible. But she's not saying it's guaranteed here, she may revise her previous opinions, we are all entitled to do that.

And she says clearly in this video you can't be obsessed and you can't make someone love you or use mind control.

I know that what you desperately want to happen is that someone will tell you that you'll get what you want without the other person having to revise her opinion that she doesn't want you or that you ignored her wishes by harassing her and frightening her. You did all those things and posted about them.

I will be very interested to hear if Veronica says that was okay and you obsessively wanting her months past her threatening you with a restraining order means you'll 'get' her to be with you.

I don't think Veronica will.

And now you'll probably post abuse towards me and it'll be ignored and the whole thread deleted.

I think it's miscommunication. She definitely believes in the fact that we can get whomever we want despite anything. I watched the video, and she really doesn't say you can't. Hell, even her books state we can. I think you're misunderstanding the video, whereas with Agnes, she very blatantly and literally said one thing followed by the complete opposite.
And please don't make assumptions like that. That's not very kind at all.

YesIWILL wrote:

Agnes said you could get whomever you want, then said "naw jk LOL".

Agnes didn't say that, she simply said that people can reject what we send them. She didn't say it can't ever happen, but she's suggesting it's a matter of probability depending on the other person. From her video, she also said "a lot of the time it does work out but you have to do the work" and "give it your best shot" so she didn't say it's impossible, quite the opposite.

Plus, she claims to get that info from Neville Goddard, Prayer: The Art of Believing Chapter V Thought Transmission. When I read that chapter from Neville, it's even more confusing. Here are some Neville quotes:

"The subject has no power to resist your controlled subjective ideas of him unless the state affirmed by you to be true of him is a state he is incapable of wishing as true of another. In that case it returns to you, the sender, and will realize itself in you. Provided the idea is acceptable, success depends entirely on the operator not upon the subject who, like compass needles on their pivots, are quite indifferent as to what direction you choose to give them....If your fixed idea is not subjectively accepted by the one toward whom it is directed, it rebounds to you from whom it came."

So there are exceptions, someone can reject what we send them. But why would it be rejected? Because the other person doesn't want it for himself or others, because he can't believe in it for himself? But what about "everyone is you pushed out" and how we are the creators of our own reality?
 
“…what you can wish and believe of another can be wished and believed of you, and you have no power to reject it if the one who desires it for you accepts it as true of you.”

So much for being the creator of my own reality, this flies in the face of that. This suggests that my life and experience is influenced or caused by the subconscious beliefs of others, but Neville says I am the cause and "everyone is me pushed out". Very confusing. So if I want to get over a sickness or get a new job in a new field, but someone believes in a different circumstance for me, then tough luck because I can't reject their belief. But then again, isn't the world filled with people who have defied the beliefs of others - so obviously there's more to this stuff than just belief. Or is he saying that others can influence me only insofar as my beliefs about myself go? This quote goes against the previous one because Neville is now saying that others cannot reject what we send them if we desire it of them and accept it as true of them, very confusing. Agnes said people can reject what we send them, Neville seems to say the opposite here, but said something different earlier. Did she misunderstand what Neville was saying? Did Neville make a mistake? Or is there more to it?

Anyway, none of us can say if these ideas are literal truth. It's like religious and spiritual beliefs, we're taking a leap of faith. There are so many ideas and interpretations of how this stuff works, even the gurus contradict themselves and change their opinions over time. Neville says this one moment:

"Your consciousness, modified by your beliefs, objectifies itself in the conditions of your world. To change your world, you must first change your conception of it. To change a man, you must change your conception of him."


But in a different work, he says something different:

"Stop trying to change the world since it is only the mirror. Man’s attempt to change the world by force is as fruitless as breaking a mirror in the hope of changing his face. Leave the mirror and change your face. Leave the world alone and change your conceptions of yourself...Change your conception of yourself and you will automatically change the world in which you live. Do not try to change people; they are only messengers telling you who you are. Revalue yourself and they will confirm the change.”

So instead of changing your conception of another person, you should only change your conception of yourself. Very different from the previous quote.

Or how about this gem: "If you know who you are and how imagination operates, you will learn to control your imaginal activities. If you do not, they will be controlled for you by another, and you will become their victim… As man begins to awaken he controls and takes over, and is no longer a victim of his vision, so he has control of his attention. Everyone is free to create his world as he wants it – if he knows that the whole thing is responding to him."

So now we have the ability to reject what others send us and believe of us because now we can create our own reality. But didn't Neville say that people can't reject what we send them before? As for being victims of the imagination/ belief of others, what happened to "everyone is you pushed out"? If "everyone is you pushed out" then they can't control you, they just respond to your own imagination, it's not that we are victims of their beliefs/ imagination about us, but that we are "victims" of the beliefs we send out that are represented through them. And if we can reject what they imagine and believe, and create our reality for ourselves, well...that means we can reject what others send us...and your ex can still reject you. After all, as Neville said, "everyone is free to create his world as he wants it" which implies that people can reject us if they want to.

Maybe Neville changed his beliefs over time but as we've seen here - even his ideas can be contradicting and confusing and inconsistent, so who knows which interpretation is right?

YesIWILL wrote:

Veronica is still saying you can be with the person you want, or even anyone you want, you just have to be in the right mindset..

What did I say Lifesagas? As long as you explicitly give people the impression that it's still possible and will happen, you're off the hook lol.

By the way YesIWill, what Veronica said is pretty much the same advice Agnes personally gave you on YouTube on that rejection video: "It all starts with self love and GIVING that to her through radiating it to her, needing and longing is about GETTING. And you cant get someone back in that state. Self love is the foundation of all great relationships." It's also the same advice loads of people, the same people over and over again, have been telling you for over two years on here lol.

I said I will stop posting here but I also watched the video and felt the need to interject. First off, kudos to Veronica for taking the feedback we gave her and creating videos focussed more on self love. I can tell she genuinely cares about her folllowets, and I'm not just saying this.

I tried following CRs post and it was confusing but it really comes down to this "everybody is you pushed out". I hate this saying because it was misinterpretated somehow we using RS to force people to do things but I will use it again.

There was a time when I failed the drivers test when I was angry and I wished the tester lady dead. Of course after crying for three days, getting back into the car, and retaking the test then passing I regretted saying that because I really didn't want her dead. However, let's say someone wished something bad upon me, if I create my own reality I wouldn't experience it. do you honestly want that power for someone to wish bad things on you? If you can do that, other people can too. That's witchcraft as I've said multiple times.

You can wish bad things upon people, but by using pushed out theory those bad things would be reflected back to you. I'm going to use an example exactly pertaining to you. You likely are visualizing this woman wanting you and then all you feel is like you're wanting her. If you visualize her breaking up with the new man, then you're going to notice a lot of other people ending their relationships with you (honestly, if I was your friend and you talked to me the way you talk here, I would distance myself from you like I have with other friends). That's basically the gist of "everyone is you pushed out".

As for anything is possible, there was a man who paid a psychic $750K to bring back his ex even after she died. I'm not debating the philosophical nature on this, but I think Agnes implied that sometimes there's just a mismatch in frequency. What if that woman turned out to be a con woman in the two years you were separated? Would you still want her back? You have learned and grown but maybe she took a turn for the worse. I have had an ex who became crazy after we broke up and I never wanted him back after I ran into him and discovered he was crazy. Just know these things happen.

Also, Will, you are really reading too much into this. Can I ask you why? Why are you reading so much? Posting on forums? Watching videos? I saw Laura's video and it's simple, create the intention, let it go and then watch the magic happen. Think of it this way, the more you post here, watch videos, and read, you are delaying your manifestation. I know you want to do something to win her back, but if you don't do anything maybe it's the best way to go about. You've tried everything else. Maybe try this?

I think most LOA stuff can be contradictory and confusing to be honest. Particularly when it comes to attracting specific people.

Some really respected LOA teachers say you can't attract a specific person and you shouldn't even try.

I've listened to some teachers say it can't NOT happen and if you set the intention it will happen. Yet they contradict themselves in other talks.

For example - great, I've set my intention! Okay but you have to really believe it. Okay done...not quite happened yet.

You have to be in a good vibe/the vortex. Okay, done...not quite here yet.

You have to live in the end as well so live your life like it's already here...but you can't think about it TOO much or be obsessed. Okay done...not quite here yet.

You can't be resistant...okay, don't think I am so what now? What does resistance even mean?

Oh it's a law that you will get it but there are other laws too. Are there? I thought you said it couldn't not happen?

Oh there's the law of gestation. But I thought it was guaranteed in X number of days? Well it is but there's this law too. Okay..so not a guarantee then?

How long will it take, I thought it had already happened when I made the intention? Oh it happens straight away sometimes. Okay but not always? We can't really say how long, but it will happen. Years? For some people it seems to take that long. Okay, so not as simple as just believing then? How would I not doubt if it is taking so long? You just have to.

Let it go, you have to not want it. But how do I let go and believe and live in the end at the same time?

And you have to be in a state of allowing, that's a law too. But I thought I just had to set the intention and believe?? Why are there all this caveats?

You might just get something 'better'. But..but I thought you said I could manifest this person?

No wonder people get confused and get upset when they then hear there's something else they should be doing or hear something that contradicts what they thought they knew!

If any coach could offer a 100% guarantee that it would happen even in 12 mths, let alone 30 days or whatever, they'd be multimillionaires within 6 months!

The LOA principles have changed my life for the better in so many ways but if I have one problem with it; it's the fact that success is always attributed to the methods or techniques or 'laws' but failure is always attributed to the person; not believing enough or having limiting beliefs or being resistant or not allowing or not giving it enough time or wanting it too much or not letting go or.....

The fact is, it's a multi-billion dollars industry with numerous books and videos and teachers and coaches and workshops and programmes. If it was as straight forward as some people suggest, none of the industry would be needed. You'd buy one book or watch one video and bingo! Everything you want!

I believe in it but I don't believe there are any absolute guarantees (I know a lot of people disagree) and I think it's complicated and confusing and really hard sometimes!

And Agnes said that she's basing her views not just on Neville but her experience over 20 years of using LOA and 'teaching' or coaching for years. She can't say 100% it'll happen because that's not been her experience and it would be unethical for her to claim so. BUT she says she's  seen success in about 85% in cases if all 'the right things' are done. Those are amazing statistics! Well worth a good try.

Staceylouuu91x wrote:

Not really related to the ex back thing but I did enjoy reading the general manifestation stories in Agnes' e-books. Some of those stories have helped me manifest other things in my life. :D 

Is there a kindle version? I'm taking a general approach to loa ( besides when I do the visualizations once a day Veronica's book) I would love to see more success stories.