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6/08/2016 6:41 pm  #1


LOA & Free Will

LOA and Freewill

This is not a new conversation, but its one that comes up whever we start talking about using LOA to bring back an ex, or bring to us a specific romantic interest. There are those who are concerned about violating someone's free will. Its a noble concern to have, but I believe in LOA its impossible to AVOID ... if the notion of freewill is even real (I believe its not).

In LOA we don't focus on someone out there, but rather we focus on the version of them within our imagination. We build that image over and over until it feels real, then allow the creative power to manifest it into physical reality. I think that one reason people fail in manifesting a desire around a specific person is that we tend to fall pray into thinking we are changing them. That's a mistake, it relinquishes power to the outer world, to the other person, and to our fears and doubts. 

Its important to get that it only appears that we are changing them, its really US that we change, starting with our inner beliefs, then the universe (or whatever) reflects that change outwardly. But the outer appearance is so compelling, so real, along with our grievances, anger, doubts, negative feelings, etc, all charging our perception of what is real so much we simply cannot get past it. 

Even a clear understanding of the notion of multiple universes, where we don'tn change this world, just bring ourselves closer and closer to a parallel existence to the point of crossing over, doesn't always help. We KNOW we aren't violating their freewill, just finding a version of them that WANTS to be with us ... but our minds get stuck in this shitty external version of everything where each minute is a reminder of what we didn't want.

One thing that I think can help is to understand that any use of LOA at all NECESSARILY involves (what appears to be) altering someone's will. Take the proverbial parking space manifestation, in order for that space to be available, the person using it now must move by the time we get there. If its just any space within a half a block, its more general, and easier to assimlate in our belief system as possible. But if its one, specific space, we find it harder to buy the fact that we can have it waiting for us whenever we need it, period. 

Mostly, its probably a good idea not to chase after an ex. I spent lots of time working on one particular person, more of a "never-was" rather than an "ex," and despite knowing what I know about LOA I just could not break down the barrier of doubt. I decided to stop the process a couple weeks ago ... 

LOA is simple, free will is issusory, with makes LOA possible in the first place, but its not easy, it takes effort and time.

 

6/09/2016 3:51 pm  #2


Re: LOA & Free Will

Thank you so much for posting this.
More people should read it.

I want to add some things:

Scientists found out that our preferences when it comes to food are influenced by the taste of the amniotic fluid of or mother. And even if that wouldn't be true: I really would love to enjoy eating carrots. But I can't because I just hate the taste of them. Where is my free will here?

Most of our behaviour is controlled by our habits. If you look at it from a evolutionary stand point it's wise to not making too much decisions because it saves resources you can use for other things like statistics.

Who we are is totally dependent on where we have grown up and what we have learned when we were little. So no free will here. I would love to be more social but I just aren't. If I would have grown up in an African tribe it would be totally different now.

Do you choose to fall in love or out of love? No, it totally happens to you. I more than once fell in love when I didn't want to.

Scientists found out that if I grab my cup the brain activity that is responsible for grabbing the cup comes BEFORE I make the decision to grab it.

The examples are a bit random but I personally think free will is an illusion of our brains. Maybe it's there to make us comfortable because we don't like to have no control over ourself. I can't remember hearing any evidence about free will. It's just a theory but we take it way too serious when it comes to an ex/specific person.

Just my two cents..


"Self-abandonment. That is the secret. We have to abandon ourselves to the state, in our love for the state, and in so doing live the life of the state and no more our present state. And to make the state alive, one must become it."

Neville Goddard ~ The Law and the Promise
 

6/09/2016 4:01 pm  #3


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Sanshi wrote:

Thank you so much for posting this.
Scientists found out that if I grab my cup the brain activity that is responsible for grabbing the cup comes BEFORE I make the decision to grab it.
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I have heard about this ... fascinating.
 

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6/12/2016 9:50 am  #4


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Desideratum wrote:

Sanshi wrote:

Thank you so much for posting this.
Scientists found out that if I grab my cup the brain activity that is responsible for grabbing the cup comes BEFORE I make the decision to grab it.
.

I have heard about this ... fascinating.
 

This is curious..so who & what & why is deciding for you to pick up that cup lol?!

 

6/12/2016 11:11 am  #5


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LaughBella14 wrote:

Desideratum wrote:

Sanshi wrote:

Thank you so much for posting this.
Scientists found out that if I grab my cup the brain activity that is responsible for grabbing the cup comes BEFORE I make the decision to grab it.
.

I have heard about this ... fascinating.
 

This is curious..so who & what & why is deciding for you to pick up that cup lol?!

Unfortunatelly I can't find the study right now, so I don't know how scientists see it but I'm studying psychlogy and chances are high that within the next weeks we talk exactly about this topic. I'm going to manifest it.
I can think of a few option what causes the decision.
You can look at it through the good old "bio robot" glasses but I think hardly anybody here thinks that we are just biological machines that are reacting to their surroundings.
Another possibility is that we make decisions unconsciously and our motoric system gets the information before the conscious part of the brain gets it.
If you are open to crazy ideas you could see it as a time travel of eletrical signals. You make a decision and to speed your physiological reaction up your body sends the signals into the past and the reaction just seems to happen before you make your decision. But it's just pure speculation on my part.
Found this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#Free_will_as_illusion . Not what I was searching for but interesting.
 

Last edited by Sanshi (6/12/2016 11:32 am)


"Self-abandonment. That is the secret. We have to abandon ourselves to the state, in our love for the state, and in so doing live the life of the state and no more our present state. And to make the state alive, one must become it."

Neville Goddard ~ The Law and the Promise
 

6/27/2016 1:57 pm  #6


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Aphrodite wrote:

I think those who want to tell us falling in love violates free will because they don't understand what it is. If it did, the human race would be in trouble...

Preach it sister, preach it.

 

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