Posted by Cynthia  9/06/2018 12:46 pm | #41 |
PrettyFlamingo wrote:
Fizzy, good answer as usual. We know what we believe manifests. How about if for example you know someone likes and wants to be with you but you believe they see themselves as - sorry I hate this phrase - batting above their average because they have health issues or similar? How would you get to believe that they didn't think that? If that makes sense?
I don't know what that phrase means, and I don't know what it is that you want, but it's just like anything else. It's always the same principle for everything. You would imagine the end result that you want as if it were already true, an accomplished fact. My bloke is a damaged person for a lot of reasons, and he's had a lot of issues and experiences that have got in the way of us being together, and I've started imagining him as the person he was meant to be and would be but for those things having happened.
There is a story in The Law and the Promise that tells about a beggar who becomes a person with a job overnight who then has some self-respect after an encounter with somebody who refused to give him money but 'saw' him as being gainfully employed, and some time later they met again, when he found out that this had come true.
The first man to raise a fist is the man who has run out of ideas.
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Posted by PrettyFlamingo 9/06/2018 1:32 pm | #42 |
Batting above average is a phrase that means someone thinks someone else is out of their league.
Be a flamingo in a flock of pigeons.
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Posted by Cynthia 9/06/2018 1:42 pm | #43 |
Batting above average is a phrase that means someone thinks someone else is out of their league.
In that case, I think my bloke also thinks that of me, like he's not good enough for me or he doesn't want to involve me in his many problems or both of those things and maybe even more. It doesn't matter. What does matter is living from the end, ignoring all of the undesirable outward appearances for as long as it takes. Fortunately, I am a very persistent and patient person.
If what you want is a relationship with this person, then what you would do is the same as with anything else - imagine it as if it is yours already with everything exactly the way you would want it to be.
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The first man to raise a fist is the man who has run out of ideas.
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Posted by PrettyFlamingo 9/06/2018 4:27 pm | #44 |
Hope this discussion helps the OP.
Be a flamingo in a flock of pigeons.
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Posted by oceanitrogen 9/06/2018 5:01 pm | #45 |
This is a good starting point:
https://youtu.be/YccI-t1yojk
Also, his books and lectures are free online.I just watched this video and I read a comment saying how complete and simple was what Neville was talking about and how it was the key to manifesting, but I don't understand what he is saying
I thought my english was so good </3
Basically, the key to manifesting anything you want, including a relationship with a specific person, is to feel like you have it already. If you had the relationship right this very moment, who would you be? Would you be walking around feeling sad, desperate, and worried about other girls? No. You’d be feeling happy, relieved, and only focused on you and him. Reality is created from the inside out. You are the projector, and all of reality is just the projection. You have to change inside before you will see change in the outside world. Whatever you firmly believe to be true is what will manifest in reality. It has no choice but to manifest, because that’s how reality works. So there’s no need to figure out why he’s doing things or try to reach a certain point in “self love” etc. I’m not saying loving yourself is bad. It’s good to give love to yourself and find out what beliefs caused your current situation to manifest, so that you can deal with them and it won’t happen again. But, loving yourself isn’t what actually manifests the relationship. What manifests is what you believe. Believe that this person loves you and that you have the relationship now, and that’s what you’ll get.
Thank you so much for this, truly. You guys are helping me so much, you have no idea. I was deep in a hole before posting this and you guys are helping me out. Thank you so much! I do love myself, but I'm lost without him. And he always promised nothing could bring us apart because our love is true and it is real and forever. And I still believe that. I'm starting to think that this was never and is not meant to be an end, but a new beggining. The universe has shown me that without this I would never had realised my mistakes and how much I was hurting him and not taking care of him like I have to and not giving him appreciation for how amazing he is. So the universe made him change his behaviour so I would miss how amazing he was and gave me this "end" that is not an end for me to learn. And I get it now. It's difficult not to be sad and to believe we're together, specially with his conversation with his friend in my mind, but I truly believe we're meant to be together forever and this was a way the universe had to show me what needs to be done so we can get back together and have a brand new relationship full of love and respect and way better than it was before! I just need to focus on being 100% SURE we're together and acting as if. If anyone has advice about that, I'm all ears! Haha. Thank you so much, I already love you guys. So much love!
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Posted by oceanitrogen 9/06/2018 5:06 pm | #46 |
This is a good starting point:
https://youtu.be/YccI-t1yojk
Also, his books and lectures are free online.I just watched this video and I read a comment saying how complete and simple was what Neville was talking about and how it was the key to manifesting, but I don't understand what he is saying
I'm not sure what you meant by you couldn't understand what he was saying. If you meant you couldn't understand him from the way he spoke, his voice or his 'accent', so to speak, as fizzy said, you can find his books and lectures in written form free online. Fizzy has given you a good explanation of how this works. Neville essentially taught from his own experience that imagination creates reality and to live from the end of the wish fulfilled, which means as if it is yours already, but in your imagination, with 'sensory vividness', as he called it. This means that you make the end result as real as possible in your imagination by the use of your senses. For example, in your imagination, you might see objects in the room around you or feel yourself holding something in your hand. This is something that you only need to do for a few minutes a day, consistently, Neville recommended before sleep because it is one of the best times, it doesn't mean that you have to try to force yourself to do this 24/7. In fact, force is counterproductive. Force doesn't work. There is a vast difference between thinking of something and from it. He said that imaginal acts harden into facts over time if persisted in, which means that if you imagine something consistently for a long enough time, it will become a reality. First you have to know and be clear about what it is that you want. As fizzy said, loving yourself is a good thing for your own sake and benefit, but it is not what manifests anything, and it is not necessary to manifesting, and neither is feeling happy or good. You can be deeply depressed and manifest something good because I've done it myself. When Neville spoke about feeling being the secret, he didn't mean emotions like being happy or excited, he meant feeling as though something was already true, like you already have whatever it is.
Oh no, I understand every single word. But I don't understand what he's saying. You know? He talks in a way that sounds confusing to me? I don't know why! Because I do understand every single word but when they come together it makes sense only in pieces. I have no idea why. And oh my god, you have no idea how helpful this is. Thank you so so so so SO MUCH! I screenshoted it and I'm going to do it all. I loved what you said about feeling an object in my hand and boticing details around me to make it feel more real. Oh my god, that's genius and I never thought of it before. Thank you so much. I just have this issue, I can't visualize in first person. I always visualize like a movie, and I try so hard to imagine things from my point of view but I have always been a daydreamer and I alwas always daydreamed, involving myself in the daydream, in third person by watching me because then it gives me more perspective and it comes more naturally to me. Is that an issue? Because I can't visualize myself being in his arms by actually being in his arms (actually I can, but only for a second and my mind taka me off of that and brings me back to third person). Is that an issue? And THANK YOU SO MUCH
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Posted by oceanitrogen 9/06/2018 5:11 pm | #47 |
Fizzy, good answer as usual. We know what we believe manifests. How about if for example you know someone likes and wants to be with you but you believe they see themselves as - sorry I hate this phrase - batting above their average because they have health issues or similar? How would you get to believe that they didn't think that? If that makes sense?
Simply by imagining them to be different. It’s always the same when it comes to other people. You imagine them to be how you wish and think from that place. People change according to what you believe to be true about them.
So if I imagine him to be romantic, caring, loving, if I imagine him being as crazy for me as I was and treating me like his whole world like he used to, that will happen for sure??
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Posted by oceanitrogen 9/06/2018 5:13 pm | #48 |
Hope this discussion helps the OP.
I think you mean me, and if you do, it helps SO MUCH! Thank you all SO MUCH! I said it some minutes ago answering someone but I'll say it again, you guys are taking me out of the hole I was in and I'm so grateful and so full of love for all of you. Let's all be friends oh my god, I love you guys
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Posted by fizzy 9/06/2018 5:51 pm | #49 |
Fizzy, good answer as usual. We know what we believe manifests. How about if for example you know someone likes and wants to be with you but you believe they see themselves as - sorry I hate this phrase - batting above their average because they have health issues or similar? How would you get to believe that they didn't think that? If that makes sense?
Simply by imagining them to be different. It’s always the same when it comes to other people. You imagine them to be how you wish and think from that place. People change according to what you believe to be true about them.
So if I imagine him to be romantic, caring, loving, if I imagine him being as crazy for me as I was and treating me like his whole world like he used to, that will happen for sure??
Yes, exactly. The important thing when imagining is to feel like it’s all happening right now. Don’t view it as a daydream, feel like it is real life. And then when you are done, whenever you think of him, hold onto that good perspective of him. You ARE the world to him right now. Stay in that perspective no matter what and reality must change to reflect that.
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Posted by oceanitrogen 9/06/2018 6:25 pm | #50 |
Simply by imagining them to be different. It’s always the same when it comes to other people. You imagine them to be how you wish and think from that place. People change according to what you believe to be true about them.So if I imagine him to be romantic, caring, loving, if I imagine him being as crazy for me as I was and treating me like his whole world like he used to, that will happen for sure??
Yes, exactly. The important thing when imagining is to feel like it’s all happening right now. Don’t view it as a daydream, feel like it is real life. And then when you are done, whenever you think of him, hold onto that good perspective of him. You ARE the world to him right now. Stay in that perspective no matter what and reality must change to reflect that.
I have a LOT of imagination, but I can't make my visualizations be as real as real life. They're always less detailed, not as clear and bright, kinda foggy compared to real life. And my mind is kinda wild, sometims I'm trying to imagine something and my mind just distorts the images and does crazy things and yeah, I can make it feel like real life, but not make it look like real life. Is that an issue? Can it be in third person?
