unicornsandrainbows wrote:

Selfloveiskey wrote:

I don't think we can have a healthy manifestation without self love . I just yeah it's that important .

What makes a manifestation healthy?  Do you mean "desired"?  Did you ever desire a nice, warm, comfort food meal, and then have one?  Was that before you started practicing self-love, or after?

That's a childish statement.

Open your eyes there are people on this board absolutely heartbroken that someone left them or that they have been rejected.

You think the answer is "oh just go to the state and imagine yourself with your loved one and he will come back"

One - yes he can come back and all the crap can repeat itself.
Two - why would you not want someone in that situation to take time to build themself back up. Why would you not tell someone to improve their self worth and self belief?

For me personally I would value someone tell me to reconnect with myself - and change my own vibration to one that emits a strong personal self worth - that is beneficial to me and my whole life.

Last edited by Oasiscalm (1/25/2018 6:01 pm)

Selfloveiskey wrote:

You know I just don't feel like explaining it. I think I'm done here for awhile. If you guys feel that you just need your person then go for it. I don't like the direction personally to be honest that this forum is going in. So I'm just gonna bounce and do me .

Stay doing you Hun - self growth is a dynamic process.

Avaelle wrote:

I for one am glad you didn't cut yourself.  You're so awesome.

Thank you. Well, I was 16 and spend every single day crying. Wasn't my best time in life..lol.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Sorry i guys I disagree from my experience self love was big. I couldn't manifest without it. Strongly disagree . I feel like without it you end up dependent on someone else for love . Veronica and Agnes teach that that is a foundation and from my experience Agnes was 100%right

Well, maybe we need just a clarfication of vocabulary here. If you couldn't manifest without self love, how could you ever have an experience? You are manifesting every second of your life. You cannot not manifest.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Honestly If it was all out of desperation and self love didn't matter wouldn't we all have our person back? I mean it seems kinda ridiculous to say it doesn't matter. You need self love to feel worthy and to believe you can have it . Without it you are just wanting them back and just needing them for stuff

Wasn't aware that the opposite of self love is desperation? Feeling worthy is another concept. Do I feel worthy to eat every day? Honestly, I have never thought about that. I would probably come to the conclusion that there are some people starving who are more intelligent or more worthy of living than I am. How comes that you only think about this when it comes to relationship? Probably because it's a learned concept. The very nature of this law of consciousness is that it cannot bring us anything we need, because we don't have what we need and this law just brings us what we have. But I don't need to love myself for any of that. If my mother taught me that I will always have a roof over my head and I believe it, it will be that way. In the moment you ponder if you are worthy of something, you don't believe that you can have it. But it's no different to thinking thoughts like "oh, it's very unlikely that this will happen". It's just one "rational" argument for doubt.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Isn't assuming you love yourself practicing self love ? That still shows you need it

No, you can only practice something that you don't mastered yet. When you love yourself you don't practice self love. It comes naturally to it. When you love yourself and you do a "self love practice" then it's coming naturally from that state of self love, not the other way around.

Oasiscalm wrote:

How can a state be dependent on self love. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

You make these grandiose statements about going straight to the state. How easy is it for a person to do? Not easy.

From your own experience did u go straight to the state of being with your desired one? By your own admission - no you didn't.

Getting to a state and staying in that state needs a solid foundation - it's needs absolute confidence in oneself's ability to have that. Now for one person it can just take a little tweaking and for others it takes alot more with work to shift blocks. Practicing Self love does NOT mean you don't love yourself. Self love is about an awareness of self.

You can quote Neville and every author u like but even they had to learn confidence in their ability. They too had periods of doubting.

It baffles me that an LOA forum would have people dissuading people about one taking the time to be holistic and investing in them-self.

If I say "I need to love myself in order to be able to feel a certain way" then I make my state dependent on self love, don't I? It's basically the same thing like "when he is back, I will be happy". Everyone around would agree that this doesn't work, but self love as a middle is okay? I make this point, because people confuse all the time what is the force that draws things into reality and that's the feeling state and not self love or anything else.

It's not easy for them because they don't understand it fully. They look at reality, think that it's real, struggle with it, don't know who they are, feel seperate (you can only love yourself, if you feel seperate..God doesn't have self love issues).

And I really have no idea where I admitted anything? I am not after any person and when I was I was far from understanding anything of that. So what's the point you are trying to make?

I never said anything against investing into oneself? The last time that I have told someone that I wouldn't give any LoA advice because she was far from a healthy use of it was today. I don't say that you can go out of a heartbreak, sit down, feel yourself into a state and tomorrow the guy is back. I think that is so obvious that I don't even need to mention it. Maybe we really need a definition of self love. Taking the time to heal from a hearbreak and focusing on oneself should be normal. I was able to do that without self love in the past, because I knew I had to get over it. I even think that most of the people here would be better off with not trying to attract anyone back. But that doesn't change the fact that what creates is the feeling and not anything else. Sure, do everything you need to do to get to that feeling, but self love isn't the secret.

Oasiscalm wrote:

Sanshi wrote:

Avaelle wrote:

I for one am glad you didn't cut yourself.  You're so awesome.

Thank you. Well, I was 16 and spend every single day crying. Wasn't my best time in life..lol.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Sorry i guys I disagree from my experience self love was big. I couldn't manifest without it. Strongly disagree . I feel like without it you end up dependent on someone else for love . Veronica and Agnes teach that that is a foundation and from my experience Agnes was 100%right

Well, maybe we need just a clarfication of vocabulary here. If you couldn't manifest without self love, how could you ever have an experience? You are manifesting every second of your life. You cannot not manifest.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Honestly If it was all out of desperation and self love didn't matter wouldn't we all have our person back? I mean it seems kinda ridiculous to say it doesn't matter. You need self love to feel worthy and to believe you can have it . Without it you are just wanting them back and just needing them for stuff

Wasn't aware that the opposite of self love is desperation? Feeling worthy is another concept. Do I feel worthy to eat every day? Honestly, I have never thought about that. I would probably come to the conclusion that there are some people starving who are more intelligent or more worthy of living than I am. How comes that you only think about this when it comes to relationship? Probably because it's a learned concept. The very nature of this law of consciousness is that it cannot bring us anything we need, because we don't have what we need and this law just brings us what we have. But I don't need to love myself for any of that. If my mother taught me that I will always have a roof over my head and I believe it, it will be that way. In the moment you ponder if you are worthy of something, you don't believe that you can have it. But it's no different to thinking thoughts like "oh, it's very unlikely that this will happen". It's just one "rational" argument for doubt.

Selfloveiskey wrote:

Isn't assuming you love yourself practicing self love ? That still shows you need it

No, you can only practice something that you don't mastered yet. When you love yourself you don't practice self love. It comes naturally to it. When you love yourself and you do a "self love practice" then it's coming naturally from that state of self love, not the other way around.

Oasiscalm wrote:

How can a state be dependent on self love. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

You make these grandiose statements about going straight to the state. How easy is it for a person to do? Not easy.

From your own experience did u go straight to the state of being with your desired one? By your own admission - no you didn't.

Getting to a state and staying in that state needs a solid foundation - it's needs absolute confidence in oneself's ability to have that. Now for one person it can just take a little tweaking and for others it takes alot more with work to shift blocks. Practicing Self love does NOT mean you don't love yourself. Self love is about an awareness of self.

You can quote Neville and every author u like but even they had to learn confidence in their ability. They too had periods of doubting.

It baffles me that an LOA forum would have people dissuading people about one taking the time to be holistic and investing in them-self.

If I say "I need to love myself in order to be able to feel a certain way" then I make my state dependent on self love, don't I? It's basically the same thing like "when he is back, I will be happy". Everyone around would agree that this doesn't work, but self love as a middle is okay? I make this point, because people confuse all the time what is the force that draws things into reality and that's the feeling state and not self love or anything else.

It's not easy for them because they don't understand it fully. They look at reality, think that it's real, struggle with it, don't know who they are, feel seperate (you can only love yourself, if you feel seperate..God doesn't have self love issues).

And I really have no idea where I admitted anything? I am not after any person and when I was I was far from understanding anything of that. So what's the point you are trying to make?

I never said anything against investing into oneself? The last time that I have told someone that I wouldn't give any LoA advice because she was far from a healthy use of it was today. I don't say that you can go out of a heartbreak, sit down, feel yourself into a state and tomorrow the guy is back. I think that is so obvious that I don't even need to mention it. Maybe we really need a definition of self love. Taking the time to heal from a hearbreak and focusing on oneself should be normal. I was able to do that without self love in the past, because I knew I had to get over it. I even think that most of the people here would be better off with not trying to attract anyone back. But that doesn't change the fact that what creates is the feeling and not anything else. Sure, do everything you need to do to get to that feeling, but self love isn't the secret.

To learn is to grow.

It's easy to swallow textbooks and then regurgitate passages - but if you canot understand the real world application of it - it is no use.

You are a psychology student - yet I have seen you apply no understand of the pyche of man and how it applies to manifestation. There is no understanding of how consciousness is not flat and it's not linear.

if you are or anyone is simply arguing about the formula to "manifesting someone back" then I would advise you don't waste your energy replying to someone who is discussing self development and growth. And if your understanding of self love - is that it's a ten minute video on YouTube then definitely get some clarification on what self love is.

The very action of saying "I am..." As taught by Neville is an act of self love.

Just to begin to belief u have the ability to create your reality and to harness that power is an act of self love

Spiritual and mental growth is built on a foundation that you want to better your circumstances and that is based in self love.

Yeah, you are right. Won't any longer waste my time with replying to this.