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Iâve stopped coming to this place for the very fact of whatâs happening throughout this thread. For whatever reason, people seem to have a hard time accepting that Loa works differently for everyone. Your experiences will not be the same as someone elseâs. Yes, there will be overlapping similarities but as a whole, no two people are identical in their situations or approaches. To tell someone they shouldnât want something is silly. Itâs not your claim or judgement to make. You donât know what theyâre going through. All youâre sure of is the bits and pieces they choose to share on a public forum. It can get repetitive but then again, most things are. Thereâs always more to a story and to speak like you know others better than they know themselves is unnecessary. At the end of the day, every person here is using Loa to better their lives. Those who are stuck will eventually find their way. If they donât, thatâs okay too because it will be their choice. Let everyone live their truth. If you think theyâre being self destructive, throw in your two cents. Those who want to listen, will. Those who donât, wonât.. in which case, stop replying. You donât need to continue to support or enable behaviour you think is bad or obsessive. Wish them well and hope they figure out what works best for them.
As for attracting past loves, I will never agree with the whole âsomeone better/something betterâ argument. It conflicts with everything Loa is â that we create our own reality. When a person decides to move on from their ex and suddenly meets someone new, itâs not the Universe or God showing you âsomething better.â Itâs YOU. Itâs always been YOU. Why? Because you moved and progressed from your original desires and intentions. You grew into stronger alignment with a more beneficial outcome. As a result, the person you met after letting go of your ex matched the wants and needs you were looking for in that moment and time. Itâs common sense yet people have to complicate things by preaching and praising the Universe for bringing someone new into their life when itâs been in their control and hands the whole time.Â
I truly do believe we can manifest a reconciled relationship with anyone but it has to start and end with us. If youâre clinging onto techniques to bring someone back, itâs not about you. If youâre asking the same questions every other day looking for a different answer, you havenât let go. If your heart sinks at the thought of them being with someone else, youâre still much too attached to attract them back into your life. Unconditional love doesnât have restrictions. It doesnât mean, âIâm going to love you only if youâre with me.â You canât love a person on your own terms. You wouldnât want him or her doing that to you so why would you expect the same from them? Look at the success stories of those who have manifested the return of their exes. The one thing you will notice across the board is that they ALL took back control of their lives and well being. They lived for themselves, showed gratitude, and genuinely felt content without their person. Thatâs what Loa is about. Honest feelings. Affirmations are nothing without them. Actions are nothing without them. If youâre hung up on the negativity and attachment of this person returning, youâre always going to be attracting the same sort of behaviour back to you â absence and disappointment.
Iâm not going to judge what another person wants. Do what feels right for you. If you donât believe that Loa works, great! If you do, great! Either way, as long as youâre living your truth and happiness, pay no attention to what others are doing. It really is of no concern to you. Let people do and attract what they want. The most any of us can do is show support when itâs needed and walk away when we no longer align with whatâs been said or done. Live and let live.
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You said exactly what I wanted to say!
I thought about it. In my freshman year I was in a premed program and everyone wanted to go to med school. There were some that got in after three years and others who moved onto other career paths because their applications weren't a fit for med school. Then there was a third group. They didn't get into med school right away so they either worked or went to grad school and was ok with the idea of never going to med school but they tried anyway. And they got in. The Universe gave all three groups what they are. And that's all what I'm trying to say.
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As Agnes said recently, don't listen to LOA YouTubes and allow yourself to be confused. Go straight to the horse's mouth. If you want to know what is actually taught about the law of projection ("everyone is you pushed out"), go read Neville Goddard. There's more than just law of attraction and law of projection. There are many many laws that can be picked apart. Neville and Abraham both teach these ideas well, without deviation or condition. That's not to say you can't take what you feel is correct from them and have a different belief than someone else.
Agnes teaches many things that can be taken many different ways. She and Dan (the guy she does shows with occasionally) just did separate shows about how people disagree about different parts of LOA, including them. They collaborate and still don't agree on many things. He mentioned it in one of his shows (maybe fate vs. destiny or something like that). I'm not sure which Agnes mentioned it, but it was within the past couple of weeks. Basically, you can ask 5 people and get five different answers.
Read some Goddard, listen to some Abraham-Hicks, and get your own thoughts. It's not black and white and no amount of "you all said this" and "I hate you pushed out" is going to change what it is. What it is... is a gray area. Get your own belief system from your own experiences.
Personally, I don't believe in free will. I don't believe EVERYTHING is you pushed out. I believe how people treat you is a direct result of how you view yourself. If someone treats you like ****, it doesn't mean you deserved it. It does mean they feel comfortable treating you that way. It means you haven't set boundaries. It also doesn't mean that you must change how they view you. When you love yourself, you walk away from people who don't treat you well. You CAN get anyone back or attract any new person. That doesn't mean you must. Really, do you think if someone cheated and treated you badly that your own beliefs of not being good enough or that you'll be treated poorly again won't creep into your mind, especially with that same person? Sometimes it's best to walk away and start over fresh with your new self-love and your new beliefs.
Random thoughts, but tay this point this entire thread is a **** show. This went way off the rails. Damn.
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YesIWILL wrote:
mugginess wrote:
YesIWILL wrote:
But if we create our own universe, then sure we can. Everyone is us pushed out, meaning we can get whomever we'd like.Please. Just. Stop. Please. You cannot force anyone to do anything. You can create situations to attract them to you but you cannot force them. And that logic encourages people to commit actions such as rape or stalking or harassment. So stop. And get therapy.
Woooaoah. Somone is full of salt. If we don't attract whatever we want, then LoA is bull.Â
Why be a total asshole to me for no reason simply because you're salty of your own manifesting abilities? It's not nice to tell a random guy to "get therapy"... Kinda sounds like you're the one who needs it.
If you have nothing productive to add, then gtfo the forum, kiddo.
Your vibe is so low that you couldn't see what I posted which I was trying to help people. You are so negative that you are unable to see what I posted as productive. And yes, you are a stranger but those thoughts hurt me deeply. If you as a stranger can be an energy drain to me, I don't know how you get through the relationships in your life.
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So true about REALLY loving yourself and what that means about your expectations and about detachment and letting go and what
that really means.
But you can say it till you're blue in the face and it won't make a difference. Sanshi had to leave here, Lanie had to make a thread on her forum and Superman on the other forum got to the end of his tether as he took time for free to set up his 'games' designed to help people get in a high vibe and really learn LOA but people didn't do what was said (no contact, no media stalking, no techniques, just focus on you and gratitude and self for just a month or less) and people just complained it was bullshit cos they texted the POI on day 3 and got blocked.
And they just give the latest soundbite they've latched on to about getting what you want every time or whatever and why are you saying they can't when that isn't what you're saying.
Some people will never want to hear that for most people, that's what works - self love, letting go, not being obsessed etc. They will only want to hear about what 'technique' someone used or does the fact they saw a bunny on the way to work mean they're going to get what they want?
Cambers post is good and right, you just have to not engage with those people but it's hard when you see it over and over again and it makes you feel sad that people are so unhappy and so focused on one person that it's taken over their life.
Just have to let them get on with it I guess.
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I think LOA is highly misunderstood. It's not really about changing people's will, not that you can. But it's a waste of time if you wanna try doing that.
Now before attacking me know that I've manifested my ex back twice, yes the same ex. And both the times I did not do any of these techniques.
I do not believe in any way that I changed his will, I think I changed my vibrational frequency over the time and he came back every freaking time. It's insane how it unfolded for me.
In my opinion, these techniques don't tell you the actual secret which is letting go of the resistance. Usually when you move on, your ex comes back. This is because when you've moved on, you have let go of the resistance. That's all there is to it.
Also, this thread turned nasty for no reason.
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mugginess wrote:
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You said exactly what I wanted to say!
I thought about it. In my freshman year I was in a premed program and everyone wanted to go to med school. There were some that got in after three years and others who moved onto other career paths because their applications weren't a fit for med school. Then there was a third group. They didn't get into med school right away so they either worked or went to grad school and was ok with the idea of never going to med school but they tried anyway. And they got in. The Universe gave all three groups what they are. And that's all what I'm trying to say.
Exactly this. The Universe isn't with or against anyone. You are the Universe. You're the one who's in control. Whatever and wherever you are will always be a reflection of what's shown. Sometimes, unfortunate and difficult situations happen. That's life. Nothing's perfect all the time but it's how you adapt to the negativity that will ultimately lay the path for where you go in the future. If you're constantly dwelling or desperate for what was, you're never going to be grateful for the life you have now and the one you want going forward.
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YesIWILL wrote:
But if we create our own universe, then sure we can. Everyone is us pushed out, meaning we can get whomever we'd like.
Hereâs the thing. Whenever I see people arguing over, âBut Loa says we can attract anything we want!,â you have to also take into consideration where youâre currently at mentally and emotionally. Yes, you can attract whoever and whatever you want but if youâre in a low place, those relationships or manifestations will be short lived. This is why itâs incredibly crucial to focus on yourself first. You can repeat the same affirmations every day until you pass out but unless you internally feel the words youâre saying, youâre going to be standing on shaky ground.
You canât in the same breath go, âShe or he is going to return. Weâre in a new loving relationshipâ and in the next one, âbut theyâre in a relationship right now. I donât know if itâs going to work. Maybe it wonât. What do I do? It's been so long. They blocked me. Do they hate me? I need a new technique. I wish there was one that 100% successful. I better ask someone.â Itâs a spiral. When you donât respect yourself or the life youâve been given, any good that comes to you will never be appreciated in deserving ways.
To have a loving relationship with anyone, you need to show the same kindness to yourself. Loa isnât a Genie that grants all your wishes. You have to put in the internal and emotional work to reach a place where youâre able to openly receive the care youâve always wanted. If you donât and continue putting your worth in the hands of those who donât see your value, what do you really think will happen?
Be accountable for where you are, forgive whatâs already happened, and move towards becoming the best version of yourself for you. Put in the work and the rest will follow.
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camber wrote:
YesIWILL wrote:
But if we create our own universe, then sure we can. Everyone is us pushed out, meaning we can get whomever we'd like.
Hereâs the thing. Whenever I see people arguing over, âBut Loa says we can attract anything we want!,â you have to also take into consideration where youâre currently at mentally and emotionally. Yes, you can attract whoever and whatever you want but if youâre in a low place, those relationships or manifestations will be short lived. This is why itâs incredibly crucial to focus on yourself first. You can repeat the same affirmations every day until you pass out but unless you internally feel the words youâre saying, youâre going to be standing on shaky ground.
You canât in the same breath go, âShe or he is going to return. Weâre in a new loving relationshipâ and in the next one, âbut theyâre in a relationship right now. I donât know if itâs going to work. Maybe it wonât. What do I do? It's been so long. They blocked me. Do they hate me? I need a new technique. I wish there was one that 100% successful. I better ask someone.â Itâs a spiral. When you donât respect yourself or the life youâve been given, any good that comes to you will never be appreciated in deserving ways.
To have a loving relationship with anyone, you need to show the same kindness to yourself. Loa isnât a Genie that grants all your wishes. You have to put in the internal and emotional work to reach a place where youâre able to openly receive the care youâve always wanted. If you donât and continue putting your worth in the hands of those who donât see your value, what do you really think will happen?
Be accountable for where you are, forgive whatâs already happened, and move towards becoming the best version of yourself for you. Put in the work and the rest will follow.
That's why I'm saying all these things are like drugs for heartbroken people. I almost guarantee you if they heard LOA is a hoax they wouldn't even bother with it. And I've attracted many things without "using" LOA. It's simply things I wanted but never obsessed over. That's where the magic begins.
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Yes Camber!The basics of LOA; loving yourself, treating yourself (and others) well and expecting the same from others,being grateful and positive. Detaching and letting go. Not being obsessed or needy. Realising that you are so amazing and so happy that you don't need anyone or anything else. That vibe is SO attractive and gets you want you want.
Sometimes I see posts and it's like someone saying 'I want to use LOA to become a Dr'.
Great! Let's start by manifesting a place at your chosen medical school.
Oh I don't want to go to medical school.
Um, you can't really be a Dr without some of that.
Oh but LOA works every time doesn't it? Ask, believe, receive. No exceptions.
True but there's steps to take and work to be done to get you there.
I'm doing the work! I visualise being a Dr every day, I really feel myself putting the scrubs on, I see the lights in the ward, I hear my beeper going off. I tell myself 100 times a day I'm a Dr. I do the become a Dr meditation I found on youtube every day. I've written page after page of my scripts of consultations with patients. That's what everyone says to do, thoughts become things! The mind doesn't know the difference between imagination and reality. What I seek is seeking me.
But...but you'll have to do some medical training too, that has to be part of manifesting becoming a Dr.
Why are you telling me I can't have this? It either works every time or it doesn't! I think maybe I sometimes doubt it and that's why it isn't working, I'll try harder, do more scripting and meditation. I feel really good right now so it'll happen soon.
It doesn't matter..you have to do some....
I saw a Dr House poster today, I think that's a sign! Isn't it? If I think it's a sign then it's a sign isn't it?
Great, it's made you feel good which is good for your vibe but still....the medical training thing..
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mugginess wrote:
YesIWILL wrote:
Colonel Roosevelt wrote:
Yes - according to theory, according to what some people say.
But the real question is....does your own direct experience match the theory? And if not, should the theory be revised so that it can actually make your life better overall?
ÂMy thoughts are that we create and attract what we are. I agree with that. And based on experience, That's what I've believed. You have to be in the right energy to attract what you'd like. I was kind of asking that question on OP's account. Really want her to be happy.
It just sucks how there's so much negativity flaunted around here. I mean look at Mugginess and her replies. It's full of hate. It's kind of why I don't really check the tab often.I'm not full of hate at all. I'm hurt and sad though. You didn't read my original post. I deleted a very rude post I wrote to you because I admit I was wrong. My first post originally for OP was not full of hate at all. I don't know what was hateful. You are just a hurtful person
I'm sorry you're hurt.Â
And I'm sorry you're struggling.
... but it's not alright that you call me a hateful person.
Like I said, I'm here if you need me. But lets get this back on topic for OP before this train turns into a **** show.